Get Listed Dot Org II

I revisited some of the stuff we had done in the beginning to get our business out there and on the web. When we first bought the Quill and Quilt, it had closed for several years so it had no web presence at all. Obviously not good in today’s world where that is everything. So we did a lot of everything in order to get out there quickly and really show some people that we existed.
So now I am going back over it to see what worked, didn’t and maybe just needs to be pushed again. Getlisted.org came up as a useful site again. They have expanded the listing sites that they check making it even easier for us to see where we are and more importantly where we are not.
So in revisiting it, I found out that we had only 40% of their recommended listings and that I needed to get to work. I am back to 90% as I cannot figure out the one Yellow Pages thing. Yep seems odd that it is that hard to use. Anyways, it makes sense to go back over stuff to continue to refresh your web presence. Get your business out there!

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PR News Release About New Innkeeper

One of the many things we get to learn to do as a jack of trades that is the small business person today. You need to write and release your own press release. Here is the press release –

Polly Otterness has been promoted to Innkeeper at the Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast. She has been with the Quill and Quilt since it reopened in 2010. Since then she has helped the bed and breakfast grow and become successful. Do to this hard work and commitment, she has moved up to the full time position of Innkeeper. While shouldering more duties and responsibilites, the owners are more then sure that Polly is up for the task.
Polly is a native of Cannon Falls and is looking forward to being back in the community. She is a recent graduate of University Wisconsin – Stout with a degree in interior design. These skills will be useful as the B&B continues to improve and upgrade. Also thanks to her history with the bed and breakfast and other posts in the industry, we are hoping a for a very smooth transition.
The Quill and Quilt has always strived to be part of the Cannon Falls community and hopefully give back. We feel this effort will be even stronger and better served by someone from the area. Polly has shown great strength in local advertising and community awareness. Hopefully Cannon Falls continues to be as supportive and helpful as they have been to our efforts to reopen and improve the bed and breakfast.
The Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast was reopened in 2010 and continues to serve the Cannon Falls, MN area. Any further information or contact info can be had through the Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast website.

I always feel like I write to spartan for this type of thing. It is unlikely that a person has skills in every area so it makes sense that I have weaknesses and that this is one of them.

We have one and two news articles that showed up already.

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New Innkeeper at the Quill and Quilt

This is a big change. Polly is taking over as full time innkeeper. She was doing almost all of this before but being on site is a big change and very helpful. She has been doing it about 45 days and already we are seeing great customer feedback and increased bookings. This is a very positive move for us and our guests at this point.

The numbers are speaking for themselves. Bookings are up 50% in January. That is a huge move, and one I did not expect. Mild weather can account for some of it but the overall trend of more revenue is too big to ignore. December did not see such a move and that was her first month. So caution would be in order. December came right in at the norm and my concern was that we were not missing orders do to how we were handling things. The only caveat is that being she had to move and settle in, then add in the holidays so maybe it took a while to get her feet on the ground.

Another metric that is easy to measures are reviews. She has received 5 five star reviews in the first 45 days. This is amazing! It is clear that people are responding to her in a positive way. Change is always scary for all parties but this was clearly a good one.

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First Offer

We did receive an offer. The offer was quite low but not to worry as it helped us a lot. The potential buyer did not know much about the B&B business and was not a very good fit. In hindsight, I am not sure why they wanted to own a B&B. It seemed more like a “fun idea” then a thought out plan.

Anyways the good things that came out. We got our house in order with a list of improvements, an inventory list for the B&B and better financials. The financials are going to be a pretty major key to this as we doubt we will get an all cash buyer. So at some point they will need to go to a bank and get a loan. The bank will look at our projections but will cast a stronger eye on past performance. The first year of operation was a disaster in that all of our fix up costs are in there. We bought it in June but opened in September so we do not have a lot of months of operation either. So basically a loss as far as good numbers. This is normal, and I have dealt with this before on other properties.

The first full year is a bit more problematic. We did not finish the full rehab until June of 2011. We had not had to deal with a summer month so many of the things for summer where bought in early 2011. This made for lighter numbers then we would have liked for 2011. Add in that we were only in ourt first year, the bookings were a bit slow. Now we can show that they have picked up this year versus 2011 so that is provable. The expenses have fallen in line so that is all good. Overall we are ok.

The key was without a serious offer we might not have seen the strengths and weaknesses or our situation. This allows us to continue to work forward even if the goal is to sell versus expand for th future. They are still the same in a lot of ways.

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Bed and Breakfast for Sale!

Update: 1/19/2013 – For Sale By Owner for now. You can contact Todd Burmeister at 612-803-7066. Or my email is toddburme at Msn dot com. We continue to grow and improve the business in the hopes of passing on a better experience to the new owner.

Update 10/11/12: Listed with Jone at Edina Realty. Now we should see some real action. Here is the listing. Please contact her to get a showing or for questions.

Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast

Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast


The Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast is for sale. It is time. We originally were going to try to sell it after a few months. But we realized that after just a few months our history as an ongoing business would be too short to assist with a buyer in getting financing. By keeping it an extra year, we created a longer and stronger history. As well as the market had a chance to get better.

The mortgage market has improved quite a bit. I doubt we could have gotten financing done last year with the climate and lack of history. Now we have both improved so if we find a decent buyer, they have a better chance of closing the deal.

We have listed on the MLS and BedandBreakfast.com. I doubt the MLS is nearly as targeted or as helpful as B&B.com. They are a great resource for people looking for B&B’s as it is easy to search. We are also on google,”Bed and Breakfast for Sale”. So we will see what turns up. It normally takes two years to sell a B&B so it is way to early to expect much return.

Update – The market has gotten much better for real estate and B&B’s. We are seeing sales on the national level with very few B&B’s for sale. We are currently one of one in MN. We lowered the price to be more in line with current market conditions and feel we are ready for a sale.

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How to do a successful Living Social / Groupon / Crowdcut

We have done several of these deals and so far this what we have learned. Now this is written purely form the point of view of a B&B owner running a deal on one of these sites. Yes, we try and skew it to our advantage and this is because even after all is said and done, we are a business and as such we are in it to make money.

Crowdcut
The discount is 50% or more. Why go more? Is there any advantage to doing a 65% off versus 50%. There are tons of these sites now and you can always do a smaller or local one to make up the lack of sales on one of the big ones if need be. Yes that takes more time but the overall point of business is to make money. Yes, you get the advertising to lots of people. This is a good thing and hard to put a price on. Yes, you get customers who then might turn into repeat customers. Again this is good but hard to price in. So lets say you give me the benefit of the doubt and don’t give too mych away upfront. Remember you also have to pay the site.

The site is going to want 50% or so of the amount you receive. We have negotiated a 70/30 split on out deals. So we get 70% and they get 30%. So if we gave a 50% discount in the first place, we get 35% of the over all deal. This number is very important. So in our case, lets say we rent a room for 160/night. We discounted it to 80/night and now we only get $56 of that. So every room we sell on the deal, we only get $56/night, and we still have to pay staff, buy soap, food etc.

So how you structure the deal is a pretty big deal. This is not ideal for the customer or for the deal site. This is structuring it for your advantage. Think about it, the ideal would be you sell a bunch and no one ever redeems them OR complains. YEs the last part is important as you most companies that run these deals see a drop in their Yelp rating. The deal seekers are net savvy and will run out to the review site that is relevant to your industry and slam you. Even if you were right etc. I will use us an example. We were brand new so we had lots of rooms and no customers. Well a B&B runs better if you have a few people on the same night. Your costs of running it our pretty fixed with some increase for volume but less then you think. So we needed full paying customers to make ends meet but adding in some discount customers in rooms that would have sat empty is a slam dunk. This is pretty obvious. Now once we were up and running, our need to just fill rooms drops off as those rooms could have been rented at full price and now we are giving them away at 65% off. We need that 65%. But we slow way down in the winter. Our cash flow drops way off and turns negative for the worst months.

So we structured some deals to suit us. We rented some rooms defined by bed size for 2 night stays in the dead of winter. This is not a big seller under normal circumstances but at a huge discount, it gives a chance for someone to experience our B&B in the off season at a special price. We made it a two night package because then we save on labor and some other stuff. Rather then get too detailed let me just say, we make more on a two night stay so that is what we wanted. We want to make money so we structured it to help us. Seems obvious but in the push to make a deal and get it out there, this idea can be lost.

The sites push for you to add stuff to the deal. A bottle of wine or a robe is the idea. But the math makes zero sense to do this. Even if you get them wholesale and you can put them in the deal at retail, you are losing money. We did a bottle of wine on our first deal. The bottle cost us $7 as we got a discount at the local winery and we were able to put them in the deal at $11. Well 35% of $11 is $3.85 so we were losing money on every bottle. Why would any business want to do that? And yet the websites push for extras to make the deal more attractive. Well if we are going to give money away then yeah it is more attractive but we would soon be out of business. You are going to be lucky if you breakeven on these deals over all so do not weight it against you. Keep it simple, discount your core business but why add in other people’s businesses? Do you need to advertise for them?

Coming to a B&B in the dead of winter with wind chills and snow is not everyone’s cup of tea. So what? I spelled it out, and you bought it. I do not agree with the idea of trying to make it unusable. That leads to complaints as mentioned above. It needs to make sense and be legit. But if you slow day is Tuesday, why not make the deal for Tuesday? This is your business. You need this bring in business and customers at a big discount on the days you have excess staff/product etc. IF I could guarantee you a 10% jump in business after doing one of these deals, you would sign up all day long and make if for whenever. You aren’t going to see a 10% jump or maybe even a 1% increase. So far the advantage to doing these has proven to be minimal. You need to the deal to breakeven at least or you are wasting your time and money. Is it worth it to you to have business on off nights? Or to rent rooms that would have gone empty? Then these deals can work for you.

To recap do not drive away your full price customers for discounted ones. Try not to make this into a public relations mess. Be straight forward and deliver what you promise. Ideally, if no one uses it, you win. So give them the bad days or crumby time of the year. They are getting a huge discount to compensate them. And most important of all, make it so you make a little on the deal.

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Living Social and Crowdcut

We did both of these going into winter. Now after some thought we are wondering if it was so smart. Sure it fills up the weekends but at what cost? We have done so well with increasing our advertising and web presence that we probably would have picked up tons of business on our own. so now we have filled all of the prime days with discount people. Yes, we have proven that do to the high quality of our service and true offering of value that lour customers are being retained and word of mouth is working. So we will get more customers from these endeavors. In other words what we are doing is working. Yeah!
The math of these deals has been explained in other posts. We give a 50% discount and then split the remainder 30% to Crowdcut/Living social and the rest to us. So we get 35% of our normal take on the deal. Obviously that is hard to live on so we have to fill the night or weekend to make it even break even. Last winter we had so few bookings that the staff got bored and we lost people. So we decided to fill it up and even if it is breakeven, we get the exposure and keep our better staff. We did have one staff member leave claiming burnout so you can’t win on that. Too much work or too little. Oops.
the stuff that is harder to quantify, is how much wear and tear are we experiencing on the furniture, linens etc. There is a cost to everything we do so the goal is to make it up on the exposure we get to new customers. As mentioned above we have seen that this is working for us. Cannon Falls is such a great backdrop for our business that the whole package leads to repeats. Add in that we are really well positioned the internet. We are in the first page of results for the keywords we have targeted. We do adwords, big directories etc in addition. If you are looking for a B&B, you have a pretty decent chance of encountering us.
Let’s hope this gives us the boost for a great 2012 summer. That is going to be where all of this hard work pays off.

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QR Codes

The QR code or Quick Response code has been popping up everywhere. I at first felt behind the curve as i had no idea what they were or what they did. Now I know. the vast majority of them take you to a web page. The one below is the QR Code for the main page for the Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast.

QR Code for the Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast

QR Code for the Quill and Quilt Bed and Breakfast

My question is, who is going to use it? Do they need the weird symbol or would the old fashion, www.QuillAndQuilt.com work just fine? They can’t memorize the symbol so unless they use it now, they have no way to save it. Should we put it on our flyers? To what end? Is it easier to scan this then to type in the URL? I would have to say yes but is it that much easier? I also loose the ability to remember it. Once they have typed the URL into their smart device, it is also in their brain.

The one thing we can do that is nice, we can drive them to a different page. So if our flyer is focused on our green policy, the QR code can link directly to that page. And honestly that URL is too long to type in. But how often do I do that? We can give them coupons or discounts with a quick scan. Yes, that has value. 10% discount! and then it takes them to a page that captures the email and sends them a coupon. Woohoo! I now have their email, and hopefully they will use the coupon.

I know they also can carry much more data then the URL but that seems the easiest for me to take advantage of as I have ways to make web pages and QR codes out of URL’s. The systems are all in place. I doubt I will be doing a customer policy QR code any time soon.

My other big concern is do my customers have a way to access them? I have a smart phone but neither of my children do. My parents do but they both had never heard of these things. I admit that I scanned a few just to see what they would do. They usually just bring up the products website. Not too exciting for most products. Do we need more information right now? It is not expensive and thus is nice to have if I needed more info but do people really want them?

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Living Social and Crowd Cut

Going into our slow season so we decided to do both Living Social and Crowd Cut. One gives a discount on a two night stay in the Queen rooms and the other was a one night stay in the King rooms. They both went very well. Which is good news and bad news as filling up the rooms is nice. We only averaged about 19 rooms a month during November, December and January. But we have been open longer and have better advertising so we should do better. So now if the key weekends are filled with the discount buyers we lose the option of full price buyers. This is huge as we give a 50% discount to do the deal and we pay the company 30% of the remaining so basically we are selling rooms at a 65% discount!

This is the idea. Having one or two rooms is pretty much break even so if we have more rooms to spread the labor costs over it actually makes the few at full price profitable. I know it sounds odd but welcome to the world of B&B accounting. The reason is simple. The labor to make breakfast for 2 people is pretty close to the labor to make it for 10. So it is simple, more is better. But just in this case as we are taking such a big discount. It was worse with the other big site as they wanted 50% of our take making for a 75% discount. That is unworkable.

Now if we can just get everyone booked in and happy.

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Specific Service Signs

We wanted to see if we could get those big signs that list the services on that exit. Usually they are gas, food and lodging. Well where we are on highway 52, this not possible. But we can do Specific Service Signs. Ok lets do it. Nope not so fast. One side of our exit is one district and the other side of our exit is a different one. Oops. I of course had started with the wrong district. I thought all of Mn Dot was the same. Live and learn. Got that squared away and they both agreed that one district should handle it. They did that themselves without me asking. Pretty cool when you think of this type of stuff as being a headache.
The signs are so of small but we have all of these people going up and down 52 everyday. If we can just get them to turn in then well… One business is doing billboards now at about 6k a year/ billboard. He likes the response but obviously it is a bit steep. These signs are $926 each but a lot smaller and you need to buy two. One for each exit. We can do four per post. I did notice that I am plowing a plowed field as there is a sign out there with two panels on it. So we can add two businesses only. Which is fine as how much support is the idea going to have?
“The blue and white signs you are requesting are allowed under a signing program called the Specific Service Signing Program. These signs are all a standard 72” x 18” and cost $926.00/each. Each business would need to submit some information to us because there is specific criteria that they must meet in order to be eligible for a sign. We will need to deal with each business on a case by case basis.

The preliminary information we need for now is:

1) Location of business-City map or Google map

2) Type of business

3) Hours and Days of service

Depending on the type of business, there may be further information needed but we can handle that after we verify the initial information we receive.


There might be further cost as “trailblazer” signs might be needed once they get into town but honestly that only helps any business anyways.

All new traffic into the downtown just helps all of us so let’s hope some people pick the ball up and run with it.

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